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melissa: we're adding trillions every year to our deficit. what do you think, stephen, does that get us there? >> 1.2 trillion is this year's deficit. that doesn't solve the long-term problem. the thing we haven't had from this president in my view is serious proposal for structural entitlement reform on the order of something like the ryan budget that republicans offered. took a lot of grief for. something that would change the trajectory of our debt. things we've had from this president wouldn't do that. they might take a chunk here, take a chunk there but they don't change the overall debt picture and certainly don't change the trajectory. melissa: stephen, susan, stick around. we have a lot more on the other side of this break. like ben bernanke saying time to ditch the debt ceiling all together. is it as silly as he says it is? we'll debate that. more "money" ahead what are you doing? nothing. are you stealing our daughter's school supplies and taking them to work? no, i was just looking for my stapler and my... this thing. i save money
melissa: we're adding trillions every year to our deficit. what do you think, stephen, does that get us there? >> 1.2 trillion is this year's deficit. that doesn't solve the long-term problem. the thing we haven't had from this president in my view is serious proposal for structural entitlement reform on the order of something like the ryan budget that republicans offered. took a lot of grief for. something that would change the trajectory of our debt. things we've had from this president...
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he doesn't care about deficits. he's not going to deal on this. >> you know, a couple of times during the news conference, i was interested in this. president obama said to congress, go ahead, give me the power and i'll issue more debt. that's really what he wants. he wants the power to issue unlimited debt so he can have unlimited spending and eventually he's going to get around to unlimited tax hikes. >> well, to be clear, as you know, when we talk about the debt, the president doesn't get to decide, you know, how much we're spending that's something that rests with congress. but in terms of what kate was saying with respect to, you know, him wanting to not really offer any cuts he's incurred the wrath of his party by offering chain cpi to social security. that's a reindexing of the cost of living index, revising down how much elderly people are getting. and he talk about potential fixes to medicare, potentially raising the age. it is not true that he's not willing to do that. i'll say there are a lot of people on
he doesn't care about deficits. he's not going to deal on this. >> you know, a couple of times during the news conference, i was interested in this. president obama said to congress, go ahead, give me the power and i'll issue more debt. that's really what he wants. he wants the power to issue unlimited debt so he can have unlimited spending and eventually he's going to get around to unlimited tax hikes. >> well, to be clear, as you know, when we talk about the debt, the president...
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we don't have that kind of capability in the federal government to add the deficit. so you have to open the door to private investment to do this job of rebuilding the power platform in the united states. >> host: and the technology aspect of that is? >> guest: technology aspect is manifold. and price performance improves every 18-24 mocks. in the last year we have gotten into the innovation cycle in batteries so by the end of 2020 electric vehicles will actually be price competitive with grass-driven cars. the problem with these things is that we can't wait. we can't wait because of the environmental effects and we can't wait because we need the economy to grow quickly right now. so the book lays out a whole bunch of different ideas for bringing private investment much more quickly into the job of rebuilding the power grid. >> host: on this show, a series on the international power plant, and he doesn't necessarily agree that the internet is completely green or is terribly green. what is your thought? >> guest: he is right about that. people say that data centers in
we don't have that kind of capability in the federal government to add the deficit. so you have to open the door to private investment to do this job of rebuilding the power platform in the united states. >> host: and the technology aspect of that is? >> guest: technology aspect is manifold. and price performance improves every 18-24 mocks. in the last year we have gotten into the innovation cycle in batteries so by the end of 2020 electric vehicles will actually be price...
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the deficit. so it shouldn't be surprising, given all this talk, that the american people think washington is hurting, rather than helping, the country at the moment. they see their representatives consumed with partisan brinksmanship over paying our bills, while they overwhelmingly want us to focus on growing the economy and creating more jobs. so let's finish this debate. let's give our businesses and the world the certainty that our economy and our reputation are still second to none. we pay our bills. we handle our business. and then we can move on -- because america has a lot to do. we've got to create more jobs. ofve got to boost the wages those who have work. we've got to reach for energy independence. we've got to reform our immigration system. we've got to give our children the best education possible, and we've got to do everything we can to protect them from the horrors of gun violence. and let me say i'm grateful to vice president biden for his work on this issue of gun violence and fo
the deficit. so it shouldn't be surprising, given all this talk, that the american people think washington is hurting, rather than helping, the country at the moment. they see their representatives consumed with partisan brinksmanship over paying our bills, while they overwhelmingly want us to focus on growing the economy and creating more jobs. so let's finish this debate. let's give our businesses and the world the certainty that our economy and our reputation are still second to none. we pay...
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that's the smallest monthly deficit in five years. some of that is artificial. people pulling transactions forward because they were afraid of higher tax rates in 2013. but for the first three months of 2013, we have a rapidly shrinking fiscal 2013, we have a rapidly shrinking deficit. so we are in a way chasing a vanishing problem. >> which is interesting, and that would allow for some things that are dirty and things that are not so dirty, would completely perhaps get rid of this problem after a while. do you think we're headed for a full stalemate? >> it's such a shame. i think david is right because we have low debt service right now. we're paying less interest on our debt than we had in the reagan and bush administrations before because interest rates are so low. >> but they're going to go up one day. >> but not for several years. i'll say it, we should be borrowing more at 30-year, 3% terms, so we can invest in the long-term growth of this economy. this is not the time for further austerity and cuts. if we were even to consider that right now, it would be
that's the smallest monthly deficit in five years. some of that is artificial. people pulling transactions forward because they were afraid of higher tax rates in 2013. but for the first three months of 2013, we have a rapidly shrinking fiscal 2013, we have a rapidly shrinking deficit. so we are in a way chasing a vanishing problem. >> which is interesting, and that would allow for some things that are dirty and things that are not so dirty, would completely perhaps get rid of this...
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the problem is that was the last deficit increase. the $1.2 trillion is sort of already in the bank. the credit agencies, by the way, assume we're going to make those cuts. so if you're suggesting that we do additional sequestration on the smaller part of the budget, the 38% we talked about, domestic discretionary, i suppose that's one way you could go. but, it ignores the fact that we've got this bigger part of the budget that's more politically sensitive, but has to be dealt with. the biggest part of the budget and the fastest growing part of the budget. it also, the $1.2 trillion is in the bank because of the discussions we had two years ago. >> you think the democrats would not see that as a credible threat? they would say go ahead, let the sequestration kick in? >> well, i think democrats and republicans alike would like to alter the way the sequestration works. but i hope that nobody's talking about not making good on our commitment to reach the $1.2 trillion. i'm certainly not. and those of us who are concerned on the across-th
the problem is that was the last deficit increase. the $1.2 trillion is sort of already in the bank. the credit agencies, by the way, assume we're going to make those cuts. so if you're suggesting that we do additional sequestration on the smaller part of the budget, the 38% we talked about, domestic discretionary, i suppose that's one way you could go. but, it ignores the fact that we've got this bigger part of the budget that's more politically sensitive, but has to be dealt with. the biggest...
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would surplus at sometimes but ordinarily deficits were small and manageable. what's different today we're not necessarily talking about funding or not borrowing for disaster, we're borrowing for everything else and that puts us in this new and frankly uncomfortable position. if we had taken care of our underlying financial and fiscal needs and paid for the operation of this government without borrowing huge sums of money we wouldn't have to have this conversation. we've undermined our own ability for our own people. imagine the united states of america being in the circumstance it is today we have to ask other countries to lend us money so we can take care of our own. that's an embarrassment to me. i'm not happy to be in this position. it's not because of what happened in sandy, it's because of what happened before we got to sandy. >> congressman mick mulvaney nice to talk to you. makes an excellent point at the same time. if you are a person affected by sandy many folks in our state of new jersey you hear that, this is closing the barn door after the horse ha
would surplus at sometimes but ordinarily deficits were small and manageable. what's different today we're not necessarily talking about funding or not borrowing for disaster, we're borrowing for everything else and that puts us in this new and frankly uncomfortable position. if we had taken care of our underlying financial and fiscal needs and paid for the operation of this government without borrowing huge sums of money we wouldn't have to have this conversation. we've undermined our own...
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it doesn't create new deficits, it doesn't create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family trying to improve its credit rating saying, i know how we can save money, we won't pay our credit card bills. not the most effect of way to improve your credit rating. >> ben bernanke says the u.s. economy appears to be willing to raise the debt ceiling. it's downplaying fierce that this could lead to higher inflation. >>. >> what do you think? >> well, i think, you know, what we've seen in the beginning of the year, like the solution of the fiscal cliff for the fist time in the more global renegotiation, what bernanke know and the government is they don't want the economy to be in another recession. probably it's going to be a slow process, but the final aim is there and everybody knows where we need to go. >> all right. let's remind you what's on today's show. we take a look out at the auto show. 5:30 eastern. spain is set to tap the bond market today. it's going to tell 12 and 18-month t bills. analysis is due in about 30 min
it doesn't create new deficits, it doesn't create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family trying to improve its credit rating saying, i know how we can save money, we won't pay our credit card bills. not the most effect of way to improve your credit rating. >> ben bernanke says the u.s. economy appears to be willing to raise the debt ceiling. it's downplaying fierce that this could lead to higher inflation. >>. >> what do you think? >>...